How to Prevent Hand Injuries Using Balanced Muscle Training w/Dr. Terry Zachary

J. Rosemarie (Jenn) Host: 00:59

Dr. Terry Zachary Guest 01:45 So Terry Zachary is, I like to think, a young man, probably getting to be less of a young man, but aging well. Yeah, and I was raised by. You know, my mom was a single mom when I was about four or five years old and my brother and I are 11 months apart. So, mom, just because of a situation, we still had a great relationship with our dad under the circumstances and there was alcohol involved and mom basically wanted to take us to more healthy environment and that's where I came from. But Terry Zachary himself was affected a lot by all of those circumstances.

02:26

But I was really naturally myself driven into sports and athleticism. I loved both of my parents. My mom and my dad were both involved in sports and so I think I got a healthy, natural exposure to that and then it didn't offend me because I loved it. I loved. I grew up in hockey. I'm Canadian, so I was married by law we pretty much have to play hockey first and then so hockey and got into golf and basketball and eventually golf won out and those were, if I can even think that I had stressors in my life which we can talk about more. Golf was always my ultimate happy place and as I got better at golf. You got more detail orientated and you had to learn about how your body moves and that naturally got me into, I think, picking the vocation of being a sports chiropractic. I ended up having a practice that was half sports, half family, and my mom who was, of course, we can talk about as much as you like was pretty much my mentor and my idol. I saw how she lived her life and she was involved in healthcare she was a public health nurse. So I was naturally driven to those two things through my parents and I coupled them and I've always enjoyed them and I love my work and end up becoming a professional golfer.

03:50

It was after my dad passed away. Actually, I went for the dream. I was always supported to go for these dreams. I didn't make the PGA tour, if that's any question to your audience, but I did.

04:03

I was exposed to so many injuries, and a lot of them repetitive grip injuries, that I worked on in practice. I had taken some time off of practice, so that led me to simplifying my four or five exercises that I did when I had time in practice and developing a product called Handmaster Plus which, once I stopped playing golf, I went back into practice and I saw that sports and music and workplace and every place had the same mechanics of the repetitive gripping problems that I learned in golf and everything just went from point to point to point. And, even though my dream of playing professional golf didn't work, it opened up the world to me to help other people, which is what I do now, and we've helped literally over a million people around the world and I love what I do, love getting up to work every day, and a lot of that stemmed from my roots, from the example of my mom, absolutely no doubt.

J. Rosemarie (Jenn)

Host

05:01

Okay, all right, thank you. Thank you for for detailing that for us. Yes, I have three sons and I'm just proud to be a mom and I was a divorced mom, so my sons just make mothering so much, so much a pleasure, even all the struggles. So, yeah, and I'm also Canadian, by the way. Oh, I didn't know that. All right, I'm in London, but I'm in Canada.

J. Rosemarie (Jenn)

Host

05:27

Yes, all right, all right yes.

J. Rosemarie (Jenn)

Host

05:30

All right, so you kind of spoiled it for me, but that's okay.

Dr. Terry Zachary

Guest

05:36

That's my job. Make it on, I guess, so beyond. So I'm now, I'm rambling and taking all your questions.

J. Rosemarie (Jenn)

Host

05:42

Exactly, that's all right. That's quite all right. So we are going to talk about the hands right and what you mentioned, that in playing golf because you have to grip a stick. Yeah, pardon my phrase.

Dr. Terry Zachary

Guest

06:04

Yeah, well, that's basically the mechanics, and it's very basic, right yeah?

J. Rosemarie (Jenn)

Host

06:10

And that caused you some problem. Explain those injuries and the problems you had with your grip and other injuries that would occur on an everyday basis. Say to a mom in an office setting, say so, I'm giving you a free reign here.

Dr. Terry Zachary

Guest

06:30

Yeah, no, I appreciate that because when I first looked, when I was first involved in grip, it had to do mostly with athletes. I dealt with professional athletes and amateur athletes in my practice A lot to do with hockey and golf, because that's what my background was. It had turned into a lot of things, but when I went, when I took time off practice and chased the dream of professional golf, what would happen is inevitably I was playing mini tours. So you know, pga tour involves airplanes and pretty high lifestyle pursuits. Mini tours involves a lot of traveling from little tournaments to little tournaments in cars. You get to know your group quite well and as people, as the players got to know me, they realized that I had some background in sports chiropractic. So when they had injuries they would come to me a lot of times. So when you say, you know I learned a lot from just watching golfers grip a stick, it's very similar hockey stick, golf club, tennis racket. The mechanics are the same. So what I learned very specifically in that environment extrapolates to many things which I can tell you about as well. But at that point golfers would come to me and remember I'd been in practice for about five years before I pursued this and so I knew a lot about the grip muscles and I had questioned everything.

07:59

Another thing about you know not to go back to my mom all the time, but that's another thing is that my mom in a small town in Alberta I'm from Medicine Hat originally. That's where I grew up. I loved it. It's a great town. I had a lot to do with me as well, but it was back in those days.

08:18

It was a little bit outside the box to be divorced and do this. But mom was always after what was right and that was the way it was going to be. And there it went. So I was able something in me always looked at I don't care what the box says like an in hand exercise. As I went through school and I went through looking at training, I'd always just taken something and gripped it, like a spring loaded mechanism or a coiled mechanism or a racquet ball or something like that, and that's what I was told to do until I was really educated about it. And then I looked and I saw wait a minute. I started studying the grip muscles and where they originate and where they attach, and I said, this is way more than just the hand We've got.

09:03

As it works out, we've got 27 muscles of grip, not just the nine. That close so to your original idea of what does grip involve. Well, all of a sudden, I started to see finger and thumb and wrist problems, a lot of wrist problems, a lot of carpal tunnel problems and a lot of elbow problems. So these players that would know everything about their equipment and really know most things about their body as well, Most of these athletes were high level athletes, even though it was mini tour it's the best of the best in college come to play in these areas. So they've studied, they've studied their body quite well, but nobody knew anything about grip, because that's all they saw too. Is you take something and squeeze it? And I've got grip done?

09:48

So when they ran into these problems, I could recognize it very easily, Like I was in a position to say wait a minute. I've seen this in practice for five years. I've known how ignorant we are about the hand muscles, and so I was able to talk to them right away. What do you do, Even for grip? They would either do nothing or they would be taking something and squeezing it. Oh, and I say what do you do with the muscles that open and spread the hand? Do you exercise those at all? And they had no idea what I was talking about. And then it goes from there. So I knew about this already.

10:21

They would come up with, let's say, an elbow problem. They had no idea an elbow problem was directly related to repetitive grip. So I would have to explain to them that they grip muscles. Your flexor muscles attach all the way to your elbow. Some are intrinsic in your hand, yes, but I would say nine muscles close your hand and they attach all the way to the elbow. Excuse me, I've got a jocular, but they would attach all the way to the medial elbow. The ones that close it, the muscles that stabilize your grip, are the extensor muscles. Like we don't, we have nine muscles that open and spread the hand. They're on the back of the fingers, thumb and hand wrist, all the way to the elbow. So when you grip something, you are statically contracting those muscles, just meaning in one position, and that's the grip. And they didn't understand that.

11:09

When you do that and you're hitting golf balls, practicing every day, hiding every day, chipping every day, bunker shots every day, then you go into tournaments and you're playing every day, those muscles become very static. Same thing the carpal tunnel gets shut down, the thumb gets shortened, the finger gets shortened. If we don't know how to offset this, it's like having bad posture. If you're doing something forward all your day which mums will be doing and I'm slowly tying this into mums, but it started out with recognizing the mechanics. When you do this and you grip all day, if you don't do something to offset that, you're gonna run into problems, and those problems could be things you don't think about Finger thumb problems, hand problems you might relate it to that. But carpal tunnel problems, forearm problems, elbow problems a lot of times you don't think that's a grip problem. You just think it's a game.

12:03

So to continue it going, I saw pro golfers come to me with these concepts and they might have a carpal tunnel problem, they might have an elbow problem, they might have a finger, a wrist problem, very commonly, and they would think well, the wrist is different than grip. And I would say absolutely not. These muscles are so diverse that anytime we get a repetitive grip imbalance, when those muscles that close the hand start to be too shortened and the muscles that open and spread the hand aren't healthy and they're not trained through their full range of motion, any one of these areas are gonna become imbalanced. They're gonna be, there's gonna be a muscle imbalance, therefore a structure imbalance, and you're gonna have poor blood flow and poor lymph drainage. So how is that area supposed to keep healthy? The golfers would be accepting of this, but then I would get them on three or four, four or five different exercises to train the grip. And that's when, over time, about three in the morning, at some point, I saw I had to do something easier for these people. So I woke up with a little aha moment at three in the morning and it just said if I open up a ball and put a elastic resistance material through that ball I should be able to just close and open and spread and that hand should go through its full range of natural three-dimensional range of motion with resistance, and that should be it. And I got up at three o'clock in the morning, whatever town I was in, we were traveling, and just started to draw up the ideas and just do research on it and, lo and behold, and I left out.

13:41

At that particular time there was a person I was traveling with that had a debilitating tennis elbow. He's playing mini tour golf where there's not much money available. He had two children and a wife at home. He was pretty panicked and I realized we gotta get something easier. And that's when that three o'clock in the moment in the morning moment happened and that's when we developed the rough prototype the next day, had him started with that, got him rebalanced and it all started from there. We started in golf. I didn't make it as a golfer, so I went back into practice and I just started to see every grip sport has this problem. Every music has this problem. Music was always repetitive gripping, the way that most musicians think to help it. Every mum has this problem. Every ergonomic situation has this problem. And then from that. That's the background. And as we go, then, rose-marie, I can speak to mum specifically and I'll show you some of the problems in that and then the mums that are listening might understand the background I'm talking from to address their problems.

J. Rosemarie (Jenn)

Host

14:47

Okay, yeah, because I want to ask you. Actually I worked in an office and I didn't have any issues with my hands, but one of the ladies I worked with, she had a terrible problem with carpal tunnel. You know, she always wore a strap on her hand and she would complain of all this pain. So that wasn't a grip. I'm guessing it's from repetitive motion on a keyboard, because she worked on a computer. I mean, can you explain that? Because the gripping I understand, because you're probably forcing your hand to do something it's not naturally supposed to be doing. Is that the same as typing? Like how would you explain that? You know, since it's so common.

Dr. Terry Zachary

Guest

15:44

It's, you know, because this is such a new area to address. We've addressed this, for we've been looking at this for probably 20 years, but it's a really good question. I don't know that I've ever had that question. So when you look at the mechanics of typing, so a person might think well, you know, I'm not doing a whole bunch, I'm just typing. But I want you now I also will say that most people, their whole life isn't just the typing, but the typing is one of the categories that will exacerbate and really challenge the whole mechanics of how the fingers work. And that's a bit. I'll unpack that comment.

16:23

But away from the office, maybe she may be knitting, she may be an artist, she may be doing many other things that would challenge it. And then top, and then I'll talk specifically because we have a big background on typing which is similar to keyboards, which is similar to, I'll say, dental hygienists, let's say anytime where there's palm down. So whenever we talk about, let's say strictly about typing, piano playing, organ playing, anybody does something on a regular basis, day in, day out, with palm down. Here's the challenge to the whole mechanical, the whole kinetic chain of grip. If I'm palm down, I don't know if I'm showing this really well.

17:10

But once I'm palm down let's say, if I'm doing anything with my fingers, the straight, clean mechanics are whenever I grip something, if I'm a golfer, if I'm just gripping something, if I'm on an assembly line. Once I grip something, my finger flexors, which part of them, attach intrinsically in the hand and I will say a lot of them originate right on that carpal tunnel, which is very interesting to talk about carpal tunnel syndrome. So anytime I'm gripping and grasping you can see that carpal tunnel just mechanically shut down.

17:46

Now if I'm gripping a knitting needle or a paintbrush, it even grips down more.

17:55

So I'm shutting that down If I don't do anything to oppose it, the muscles that oppose it that open and spread the hand and I said spread because people think, well, the opening hand muscles must be a little bit important. No, they're hugely important because when they open and spread, that offsets and supports my carpal tunnel. Nice and open. First point so most people in their regular life are grabbing things. You're grabbing, you're around the house, you're going to be gripping and grabbing things. You're slowly starting. The imbalance If I'm in the office now I'm palm down is another problem. Whenever my fingers go to hit a keyboard, there is a little contraction because, remember, the finger flexors are going to do that and those flexors attach. There's some inside but also all the way down to the elbow. So the tendons go through the carpal tunnel and then they attach down onto the elbow, the main finger flexors. One thing is that these muscles back here are contracting to support that finger flexion, so they have to contract. It's a co-contraction. Whenever your fingers and thumbs do something, these muscles back here, the thumb and the finger muscles, have to contract to support that. It's a lot if you've never heard it before, but it is quite basic. So if I'm doing this, not only are my finger flexors doing a little bit, but my finger extensors have to support that contraction. The thing to understand is now my finger flexors are dropping with gravity, so it's not that hard, but the flexor tendons that go through the carpal tunnel are active all the time. The second thing is, though, the finger extensor muscles that are supporting that are against gravity. Does that make sense? The thumb is this way the finger extensors will have an easier job, but the flexors would have a harder job. So if I'm lifting a cow, for some reason, the finger flexors are really under stress. So anyway, let's move on from that.

19:59

But the second problem that happens and why the grip gets really challenged is when I've got. When I'm palm down on a computer, people would say that's not that heavy a work. Why would anybody complain about that work? But not only are my finger extensor tendons having to support the flexion of the grip, but they also have to hold the fingers up against gravity the whole time that I put my hands in the keyboard. So those finger extensor muscles are being built and they're contracting in a small range of motion. Remember, fully open. Is this Fully open If I was to train a bicep muscle and I held a brick in one position and somebody said what are you doing? Well, I'm training my bicep. They would say that's not the way you train a bicep. You take it through its full range of motion. That's how I make a strong, healthy muscle. But yet with our finger extensors, when I'm typing all day, I'm building a small range of motion in that fingers that are contracting subtly all day. Otherwise your fingers would fall down Right.

J. Rosemarie (Jenn)

Host

21:02

Right.

Dr. Terry Zachary

Guest

21:04

So the mechanics are very stressed on anybody that works at a computer or plays keyboard or is a dental hygienist. That's a whole other story. That's where you can draw the line. So your support muscles become very static, very poor blood flow and very weak over time. So that starts to put all the stress onto the flexor muscles. I know it's a long explanation, but you have to create that background and say how does somebody get carpal tunnel syndrome from typing Right when typing?

21:40

the first thing any ergonomic person will say is that make sure you're even with the keyboard. Often what happens people have the keyboard positioned improperly and if there's any angle.

21:52

Remember, those finger flexors come from your medial elbow, they come all the way through and there's eight of them right, you've got these deep finger flexors and superficial finger flexors. That bunch through this tiny carpal tunnel. That's about the size of the thickness of your thumb and that's where the median nerve comes as well. So when I've got that coming through and my mechanics aren't great with my support muscles, over time these finger flexors really have to start to work quite a bit. But they are always flexing in that small little carpal tunnel. So over time you can easily like have a little micro injuries of the tendons or you can get a little swelling in the carpal tunnel. And if we don't do exercise, if we don't understand that hey, I work at it, you know computer every day I have to do something to prepare my body properly, because this is a physical challenge, then we will never think about doing ergonomic exercises like I suggest. But until we identify that as a difficult problem, we say, oh, you don't need to prepare your body for that, all you're doing is this I would say wait a minute, you're doing this. You better prepare your body for that. And that's why, again, this exercise that we've talked about earlier. It can prepare your hand muscles to their full natural range of motion. It'll keep your mechanics of grip strong so that you're efficient. And then the other thing, the last thing I'll always talk about about carpal tunnel having to do with anything, with anything but is, but including computers is that if you exercise on a regular basis, your body, being what, being internally wise, knows to bring blood, maximum blood flow and maximum lymph drainage. Because now you're using your hand through its full range of motion, and that's what happens if I do this all days static motion you do not stimulate maximum blood flow because body's going like I've got food to digest, I've got hair to replace, I've got you know whatever hormones to balance.

24:01

If Rosemary's only going through this small range motion, I'm not going to spend time making sure great blood flow and great lymph drainage comes there. But if you're doing this every now and then at your breaks with resistance, okay, an easy exercise, and I can show you the exercise to your audience if you want to. But basically we're, we have a ball where you close against a ball and you open against the resistance of the finger elastics that go through the ball. Now I'm training my hand through a regular range of motion, I'm getting blood flow to all the mechanics of the grip, and I'm very efficient with blood blood flow and lymph drainage through the carpal tunnel. And now I've got I'm going to have a healthy carpal tunnel. It's a big challenge, though, and until we recognize that computers are a big physical challenge, nobody's going to do anything about it, and we're going to have the same conversation that you are, you and I are going to have, like why is it happening?

J. Rosemarie (Jenn)

Host

24:57

Right.

Dr. Terry Zachary

Guest

24:59

Because it's a challenge physically.

J. Rosemarie (Jenn)

Host

25:00

Yeah, yeah, all right, thank you. Thank you for explaining that. I also want you to tell me, like tell us, because we, you know, I'm going to release this as an audio podcast. First One, what type of exercise do you recommend, apart from just regular exercising, because you hinted that, you hinted that that's what's important exercise in the body. But are there specific exercises that one can do to mitigate some of this damage, especially if you're always your typing or you're a chef chopping all you know all day, musician playing the keyboard, stuff like that? And two, and this is kind of off topic, well, not off topic, but moving on, you are a chiropractor and I really appreciate the work chiropractors do. I've been raring the three times, so I do tell us what role a chiropractor plays in an injury like a carpal tunnel syndrome. Does that?

Dr. Terry Zachary

Guest

26:09

Yeah, a really good question. So so, exercise wise. I would say that your audience and even if I have your audience, as long as your audience understands, I'll go a little deeper in grip. So I want to. Usually when I speak about this it's so foreign to people, but we remember.

26:30

The first point that I had is in the nine muscles. Close your hand. Those muscles are generally in the front of your fingers thumb hand, wrist, carpal tunnel, forearm and elbow where they attach. It's really complicated if you get deeper than that, but if that's all you remember, good, okay. Then when you turn your hand backwards, you've got nine muscles open and spread your hand there on the back of the fingers thumb hand, wrist, forearm and elbow Okay. So there's that balance there that you always want to keep in mind. If your audience remembers nothing but that, they'll really never exercise their hands improperly again.

27:03

But the last point that I will say, that is in your forearm you also have another set of about nine muscles. It is nine muscles that will position your wrist for whatever you do during the day, if you're a young mom and you're holding a baby, your wrist is going to be in a certain position that you have to recognize is imbalanced. If you don't want, if you don't offset that in some way or prepare your body, you're going to have problems. So nine muscles close the hand, nine muscles open and spread the hand and nine muscles control the position of the wrist. So to exercise you want to, just like any other part of your body.

27:40

This one's just a lot trickier and there's a lot more muscles. So I think that's why people have stayed away from it for this long of a time. You want to exercise your hands like that. Now I can take even your viewers or your listeners through. You just put your hand up, squeeze your hand closed for a second. Then open your hand, spread, spread it open and wide for a second. Then take your wrist while you're still open, and spread and move it through a figure eight as wide as you can, through a figure eight. Okay, so you do that. Now close again for one, open and spread for one and move your wrist through a full figure eight, as full as you can do it. That exercise right there has just exercised 27 muscles and, rosemary, as you do it, you will feel, holy mackerel, I've got a lot of muscles in there that I had no idea, or there all the way out yeah.

28:42

And this Terry, guys telling me they're very important and they are. So that's the exercise when you put our product on. I don't know if anybody's watching, but all's I'm doing this this is the soft version All's I would do is put the thumb on and then I'd put the fingers on and then all's I'm going to do. Rosemary is that exact same exercise. I'm going to close against a ball. I'm going to open and spread against those central cords. I'm going to do a figure eight with that open figure eight.

29:18

And again, that was what we had to do is to do that so people could do. All 27 muscles have good, healthy grip and all of the muscles are through their full natural range of motion. So that's the exercise that anybody that uses their hands. And there's also studies and your audience should know. I didn't start out knowing this, but your audience should know. If they can look up, there was even a study in the Washington Post, or a reflection of a study, that shows how strong grip muscles are correlated directly with longevity of life too. So one thing that comes out of strengthening any part of your body through its full range of motion is that you'll get strong, balanced muscles, but you'll also get maximized blood flow and lymph drainage and that's how you get nutrients to your tissues and how you get, you know, toxins and end products from muscle contraction out of your way, from your body. So have that good circulation. Now I forget the second question that you asked. You talked about exercise.

J. Rosemarie (Jenn)

Host

30:23

What role do chiropractors play in?

Dr. Terry Zachary

Guest

30:26

Yeah, so the role chiropractors are going to play in any kind of hand problems, but I'll talk specifically to mums, because the challenge is, again, we never take care of our family and our house and all the responsibilities that we have to do by ourselves. We never do it half the day forward and half the day backwards, okay. So again we're getting into those comments that I would like the audience to really recognize is that our lives are physical activities. We have to understand. If you're a professional golfer, you're going to have these challenges. Where you're, you know you're, you're closing your hands a lot, you're, you're tilting your body one way, but as a mum or as anyone, or if you're in the office, you have certain other challenges. You have to look at it and say the role of chiropractic is always to say, at the end of the day, we want your body on its vertical center, okay. So when your body's on its vertical center and our job is to adjust people, so we make physical adjustments to maintain that body on its vertical center. But we should also be educating people on regular exercise, how to also have balance in their nutrition, et cetera. But I'll get back to the core is when the spine is on its vertical center.

31:46

Because even if somebody's gotten to say a shoulder problem, if my, if you'll see people and I'll probably wreck party your life If you start looking at people's shoulders when you just are out walking in public, you'll see that a lot of shoulders are like this, the head's tilted, like this.

32:01

You got all these problems. And if that's not corrected, if that body's not brought into its vertical center, the shoulders are, are not working normally. Each shoulder this one's on one side is a whole different mechanic. The hips aren't, are working in imbalance, the knees are getting weight imbalanced, the ankles are getting weight imbalanced, the whole body works imbalanced. Sometimes in this political environment of ours, people will say well, I don't know about those chiropractic like and I say don't even think about the title, think about what we're trying to accomplish. If you don't believe your body should be on a vertical center, I would challenge in any way in any mechanics to say how can you explain that if the body's not in this vertical center, your body's working balanced, it just can't do it. There's a reason we get arthritis in one hip and not the other.

32:56

There's a reason why the basis of chiropractic, what it lends to our health is, we want to encourage our body, our patients and our basically our communities to be on the vertical center. And what does that take? To do it, you have to understand, first of all, again, that it's important and the second of all, you have to understand that as we do our day, we're doing things in imbalanced conditions and in imbalanced challenges that we need to do. And then when we do that, day after day after day after day, we have to realize it's very difficult to stay on the vertical center unless we do something to be aware of it and correct it. Just the same as if I'm repetitive gripping, if I'm a golfer or a hockey player or a guitar player or I'm in the office.

33:50

It's very difficult to keep those mechanics healthy and performing well if we don't understand them and we don't do something to offset the imbalance. Does that make sense? Yes, it's all about keeping your natural design of your body as neutral as possible and making sure your body's on its vertical center, where we operate, where our body that grew itself. We have these wise bodies and we forget that the health comes from inside. And if we keep that body in balance, that health is expressed unbelievably. But if we don't pay attention to that, we're always chasing other peripheral ways of treating the result, which is pain. We say bring the body in its vertical center and live your life in accordance to the balance of yourself with gravity, and you're going to see it perform well and you have very good health.

J. Rosemarie (Jenn)

Host

34:44

Yes, thank you. Thank you for explaining it. I understand it because I've used chiropractic service over the years, but I find that there's a lot of misunderstanding about the practice, and so I wanted you to explain it, especially in this context. So, thank you.

Dr. Terry Zachary

Guest

35:03

One more thing I'll add to it, just so people understand, is that the vital thing about chiropractic is what we talked about the body on its vertical center is how the body works the best.

35:14

The second, probably the second thing to add that I've left out, that's important to know for your audience, is that the big thing about why we talk about the spine so much is that the spine houses the spinal cord and that's where all the messages from brain, all these basically you could think of them like electrical wires but all the messages from the brain to the rest of the body come through that spine. We want to see a spine balance, so those messages, so that the nerves and the nerve attachments aren't all twisted and sheared and we're not having a problem with that, because communication of brain out to body and body back to brain is how we kind of balance our homeostasis by nature. So that's the one thing I don't want to leave out to your people is that it's important that your spine's on its vertical center because it houses the entire nervous system, communication, and if we're seeing shearing and twisting and leaning and all that, you can start to see interruption of those signals.

J. Rosemarie (Jenn)

Host

36:19

Yes, thank you. Thank you very much, dr Zachary, for explaining it all. Now I want you to tell us how you help your clients and how we can get in touch with you.

Dr. Terry Zachary

Guest

36:32

Yeah, they can. Our main website is docsaccom. It's doczaccom or, for our country, zaccom. They can go there. My email, my direct email message, will always come to me. If it's a question about mechanics is info at docsaccom and they can get ahold of it. There's lists of our distributors if they want to get ahold of Handmaster Plus, and again it's.

37:03

We don't go on promoting it all that much all the time, but once you see that there's these exercises and how complicated the art makes everything super simple. You do it a couple of minutes a day and you are going to stay strong and balanced. But we also have, if you have any Americans, there's distributors we have. Kroger is one of our main places that you can go get it in person. So Kroger is also called Smiths and Lees and Ralph's in different situations. So we do have some kind of brick and mortar people, especially in the States. But otherwise, if you're in Canada or if you're different places around the world, we're basically have distributors most areas around the world and that's available on our website if you're looking for that. But any information questions, feel free to get ahold of me.

J. Rosemarie (Jenn)

Host

37:51

Okay, all right, thank you, and we will put the link to your website in the show notes. Okay, all right, so I'm going to let you go. I'm sorry, I kept you longer than I thought I would, but, um, my pleasure. Yes, of course. Um, if a solo mom, one piece of advice, um, in regards to taking care of her self in in the realm of you know, you spying your nervous system, etc.

Dr. Terry Zachary

Guest

38:18

You know it's interesting because I think I can couple what I, what I say a lot about one piece of advice when I leave with with my situation of how my mom raised us and I'm I'm raising children now, as we've talked about, we've got three kids. We're two boys, one girl, and I think the biggest thing that can be impressed on people is that single I know a single mom situation you have to have. You know, I heard one of your podcasts and you have the word courage is really important to me. Anything you do in your life, you can. You. It's going to take courage to do everything, to courage, and I saw my, my mom had the example where she just she didn't talk to us a lot, but she lived, her, she lives. My mom's about to turn about to have her 80th birthday and she's still in great health because she's got the courage to look in, to see what the you know what is the best way to live your life.

39:12

And I would say, have the courage to take a second and realize really how the opportunities in your life and and that you are this miraculous design, even if you have the challenge of raising children by yourself sometimes. That will bring the necessity for courage out in you. I think sometimes people have this. Well, everything's good in my life. There's actually less challenge to have to rise above and really get acute to to the problems, just like when I was on tour. Everything I rose to, figured out the cuteness of seeing these repetitive grip injuries, and now we help people all over the world.

39:53

So have the courage to look at the challenges in your life and learn from them.

39:59

That's what I would say.

40:00

And where it takes you is always wonderful, and I think that is that's my best thing is that life is a learning experience and sometimes the challenges in life is what helps us study them instead of leaving, you know, going away from them. Or if you're having pain in your life, don't just anesthetize it, don't just get bottles of wine out or whatever you know not that I'm against a drink of wine, but don't run away from the challenges in your life. Look at them and see what that's there to teach you. And I found that my situation with a single mom and going into chiropractic and going to all these things that were a little bit, you know, had some stigma to them. In a weird way, they helped me so much because eventually you see that, man, there is a bit of a little box that people think about these situations. Have the courage to just forget about the box, see what these challenges in your life are teaching you and go for them. And there's always that's the best time to learn and that's how I think we evolve quickly.

J. Rosemarie (Jenn)

Host

41:05

Yes, thank you. Thank you very much, dr Terry Zachary, for coming and speaking to us today. I really appreciate you.

Dr. Terry Zachary Guest: 41:12